Comments on: David Korten on The Great Turning: from Empire to Earth Community http://www.cchange.net/2009/09/09/david-korten-on-the-great-turning-from-empire-to-earth-community/ Covering the transformations to social, environment and economic sustainability Wed, 08 Sep 2010 06:20:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Bill Baue http://www.cchange.net/2009/09/09/david-korten-on-the-great-turning-from-empire-to-earth-community/comment-page-1/#comment-10567 Bill Baue Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:17:44 +0000 http://www.cchange.net/?p=1939#comment-10567 Yirgach, Thanks for your comments -- as I mentioned on the comments page for the Agenda for a New Economy show, I'll invite David Korten to respond. For my own part, I agree that internet communication is not "essentially free," though I agree with David Korten's basic premise that the Internet has greatly expanded globalized communication such that practically any person on earth can reach another without having to overcome insurmountable obstacles. On your other comments, it's possible that the future holds promise of developing the kind of technologies needed to mine asteroids or travel to other solar systems, but my personal sense is that that kind of technology has been driven in large measure by easy accessible to abundant fossil fuels and other non-renewable resources, and my reading of the data suggests that we are heading into a world of declining availability of these resources, or at least the ability to access them affordably in both economic and environmental terms. Best, Bill Baue Sea Change Radio Co-Host/Producer Yirgach,

Thanks for your comments — as I mentioned on the comments page for the Agenda for a New Economy show, I’ll invite David Korten to respond.

For my own part, I agree that internet communication is not “essentially free,” though I agree with David Korten’s basic premise that the Internet has greatly expanded globalized communication such that practically any person on earth can reach another without having to overcome insurmountable obstacles.

On your other comments, it’s possible that the future holds promise of developing the kind of technologies needed to mine asteroids or travel to other solar systems, but my personal sense is that that kind of technology has been driven in large measure by easy accessible to abundant fossil fuels and other non-renewable resources, and my reading of the data suggests that we are heading into a world of declining availability of these resources, or at least the ability to access them affordably in both economic and environmental terms.

Best,
Bill Baue
Sea Change Radio Co-Host/Producer

]]> By: Yirgach http://www.cchange.net/2009/09/09/david-korten-on-the-great-turning-from-empire-to-earth-community/comment-page-1/#comment-10563 Yirgach Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:35:05 +0000 http://www.cchange.net/?p=1939#comment-10563 Another interesting interview with Mr. Korten. I absolutely loved the quote about “Internet access is essentially free”. Who you talkn’ to homey? I live in Southern Vermont, USA and pay $80/mo for 1MB satellite access, because there is no other high speed infrastructure being built in this area. BTW, Skype, because of the latency, doesn’t work over a satellite link. I wonder what an Ethiopian farmer would/could pay? Glad you could get Skype to work in Ethiopia. I worked in Uganda for 4 years and only recently have seen a decent Internet connection. Sheesh. And then there’s the problem of “Self fulfilling prophecy” and limited resource. Hey dude - why do you think the Old World “discovered” the New World?? I have a 6 year old grandson. I hope when he gets to be my age (60), HIS son is making a lot of money mining asteroids or heading towards another solar system. And he will be working for a corporation, oops, I meant “tribe”. Don’t you get the basics about human history? You sound like this is the first economic “bubble”. I bet the Phoenicians had one in amphorae. The point being, if you look at human history, you will find an unrelenting drive to reproduce, expand and explore. How does that compare with your thinking? Sounds like Old World should've stayed at home. Another interesting interview with Mr. Korten.
I absolutely loved the quote about “Internet access is essentially free”. Who you talkn’ to homey? I live in Southern Vermont, USA and pay $80/mo for 1MB satellite access, because there is no other high speed infrastructure being built in this area. BTW, Skype, because of the latency, doesn’t work over a satellite link. I wonder what an Ethiopian farmer would/could pay? Glad you could get Skype to work in Ethiopia. I worked in Uganda for 4 years and only recently have seen a decent Internet connection. Sheesh.

And then there’s the problem of “Self fulfilling prophecy” and limited resource.
Hey dude – why do you think the Old World “discovered” the New World??

I have a 6 year old grandson. I hope when he gets to be my age (60), HIS son is making a lot of money mining asteroids or heading towards another solar system.

And he will be working for a corporation, oops, I meant “tribe”.

Don’t you get the basics about human history? You sound like this is the first economic “bubble”. I bet the Phoenicians had one in amphorae.

The point being, if you look at human history, you will find an unrelenting drive to reproduce, expand and explore.

How does that compare with your thinking?
Sounds like Old World should’ve stayed at home.

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